Man walks pass Starbucks. Inside, Woman is sitting, sipping café latte moca choco frappathingamajig. Man notices Woman. Man doubles back to see if what he saw is really what he saw. Woman peeks up from her novel for a second and notices Man staring at her. Stare is floating on that thin line of endearing and stalkerish. Woman smiles and puts her head back in book. Man notices smile, ignores the fact that he’s already running late to $5 patron margarita Mondays and decides he wants an Earl grey green refresh tea with whip cream. Man gets tea and aimlessly wanders to seat next to Woman. ‘What a coincidence’ thinks Woman. Man introduces himself and Man and Woman begin to converse. Man is very confident because he knows his stats make him one of the best players in the game. All-Star every year. Woman has smile on face because she knows he’s a 1st team player. Every team wants him. Woman gives her stats, not too shabby. 10 time All-Star herself. Master’s degree, down-to-earth, single, good jobby job, nice car (at least that’s what the BMW keys say), silly, good sense of humor, witty and buy some chit you don’t drink beautiful. The connection is obvious. Even brother at next table that was scared to say something feels the magic. Man thinks this is his Neo. This is the 1. Man is not mad that it’s after 8 o’clock and he will now have to pay $12 for his patron magaritas. He may not even go to the lounge. In the middle of the conversation, Woman’s phone begins to ring. Man catches a glimpse of ‘Home’ on the I-phone. Woman answers “Hey baby, how are you?” Man is perplexed. WTF is this, he thinks. Woman starts to clean up and pack her bags. “I’ll be there soon baby”, Woman says before she hangs up the phone. Woman explains to Man that her son is sick and she has to rush home to take care of him. “A son?? You didn’t tell me you had a kid.” Man says with a slight attitude. “Well I do” says Woman, “Take my number and call me later”. Woman goes home. Man goes to lounge with a bittersweet feeling.
The sad truth is that no matter how great a woman is, the news that she is a mother initially sets her back somewhat in the eyes of most men. And what happens if she’s not a ‘great’ woman? Or has multiple kids? Then a guy starts to wonder is she worth it. Is she worth the baby-father drama, the limited access due to child obligations, and potential role of stepfather and everything that comes with it? Let’s not forget the biggest question, is she worth being chosen over an equally great woman who does not have a child?
I don’t claim to know the stats, but as a betting man, I’m putting my money on the woman without the crumb snatcher(s). Pretty sure the single mother loses most of the time. The child may be perfect, the baby-father drama may be non-existent, and the support group is so reliable that access will never be denied. Some men don’t care; they are not trying to hear it, especially if they don’t have any kids themselves. They want their kid to be the first one their wife gives birth to. Or even worse, the woman does not want any more kids.
The man faces a ‘Fight versus flight’ scenario which means the single mother has to work twice as hard to get the man she wants. If she does not, the man is flying. For the aforementioned reasons, most men don’t want to fight. Then there are some men that will deal with the woman because of the nice accolades, but also because of the aforementioned reasons, they won’t get to that point where they want to get too serious. They rather keep their options open.
Competition is everywhere in the game of love. No one’s perfect. In my eyes, a single mother has as much chance as getting the guy she wants as any single woman. At the end of the day, the single woman without the child is single right?? Something must be wrong with her right?? Lol.
Man, what a thought…and I liked it. This is something that single men are faced with as they swim in the aquarium of the dating scene. SINGLE woman, no children, accolades that line the walls, good job, low outside obligations, and no man…it only makes her SINGLE; it doesn’t make her tainted. Nothing is directly wrong with her, she just has either made deliberate preventative measures to keep from making puppies, or she has a lot of chit on her conscience for a decision(s) she has made. Still, she is a SINGLE woman with the option to keep an 'in-the-process-of-choosing-his-life-mate' man around, or walk away when she feels her time is being wasted, so interactions are vastly different. Now, understanding this rare breed of mother-free seeming perfection will be totally unlike the given scenario of caveman salivation and eye batting with this single woman with the same resume…may not be as welcoming. No diss you rare beautiful single successful ladies, but dissecting a man's conversation from "Hello", and any man that has every read a book can detect your nasty air. I don’t know, but there is something about a proven nurturer that makes the conversation a tad more inviting! It's just the feeling of social obligation to her child that you have come to like (with time of course), that makes leaving her harder when things aren’t going as originally planned.
ReplyDelete[anon11:56] clearly with such a ridiculous initiating comment, there is no conversation to follow, smh. ES, topic, eh.. interesting but kinda speaks for itself, we already know it's going to be more difficult for women with children to find someone. Shrugs, it kind of goes with the territory.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, in this day & age, its become commonplace to find more and more single mothers out there, so it would be naieve of a dude to feel some kinda way about a woman should he find out that she has a child/children. Men and women in general should know - depending on what level of interaction they're seeking - what works for them, what absolutely doesn't, and whats flexible. We all have standards, and if a woman with a child represents a red flag to a dude, then he shouldn't even bother. The mistake is made when dudes aren't totally honest with themselves.
ReplyDeletePersonally, meeting a woman with a child isn't a deal breaker, partially because I've come to expect it, especially at my age. Partially because I am now a single parent. But as previously stated, there are so many intangibles that exsist when dating a single mother - or single parent for that matter - that won't become defined until time is actually spent, and questions are answered.
We don't know that she's lookin for a step-father, or that the child's father is a deadbeat. We don't know if she herself is a deadbeat! When talkin bout potential "baby mama/daddy drama", the determining factors are maturity and communication. A lot to ask, I know, but that doesn't change the fact that if everyone involved handles the situation with a higher level of maturity, then there really isn't much to worry about.
Anon, based on what I've been exposed to, I have to disagree with you. I don't think single mothers have it more difficult that a woman in any other category, within reason, that is!
But that's just my opinion.....
[anon11:56] Deez I only meant in the sense that she should be looking for at least a few more qualifiers than a single person. Even if her only standard is the whole, to have or not to have kids factor, two single people have the entire gamut of options. I, as a single mother, do not, cannot and will not consider a guy that doesn't like kids or isn't good with them. Outside of that... it just is what it is. I like to think that because I have a child my criteria is a lil higher than it would be if I were single. I have much less room for error, as well a less free time, and things that I will not compromise on my child's behalf. Hence, our first comment from chi iS not even a consideration. That is what I mean by more difficult.
ReplyDeletea friend read ya blog and said u have real mommy issues.. care to comment?
ReplyDeleteLol i gave true insight with my 1st comment and by no means am I as obnoxious as my comments would have you think.... having said that, I would like to say all females ive meet who have kids will try and "wife me". Yes i am educated, super hot, and great with kids. Thing is, i dont care to raise yours. I just wantd to smash(at first, thats just how i am). Now i did meet a Whamp wit babies who is amazing and i would love to be with her regardless....kids or no kids. I cant tho bc i aint on that, im just not. She has since moved on bc dem babies need shit. It is what it is. No disrespect to any female with babies but we as a whole need to do better when fuckn. real talk.
ReplyDeleteNot sure how I feel about this. It's not fair to judge a woman just b/c she has a child, like someone said above, it doesn't mean she's looking for a guy she's dating step in an play husband and daddy.
ReplyDelete(speaking out of the other side of my neck) As a single childless woman, when I meet a man who has children i'm hesitant b/c of the same reasons you've mentioned in your story ESTE. As we get older it's very rare to meet men and women who don't have children. it seems as though that's the 2nd or 3rd question a guy asks me when he introduces himself to me. When I say "no, no children" their body language changes.
Anyways...interesting
Can't disagree with this one...
ReplyDeleteAll I gotta say is more and more I'm running into lots of guys who have kids. And for a single woman with no kids, I'm running for the hills too. Baby momma drama is something I don't need...
Mommy issues huh, neva heard of that, but I did mention ghetto psychologists on an earlier post.
ReplyDeleteFair to judge? Hmmm, lets be honest, we all do it, consciously and/or sub-consciously. And also, everythings fair PC. This is the game, until you're out of it, you're in it.
So the same way a blue collar guy wont have opportunity to meet a certain type of female, or a woman with a lisp (sp) wont ever have the sexy voice, a single mother has her own mountains to climb.
Its all in the spirit of competition. Some women learn how to play efficiently. I'm a sucker for a pretty woman with a cute kid. Use the little one if you have to. It happens.
I never said its a knock out blow, but it is a punch that can make a brother stumble (Floyd survived Sugars) if he's not ready. At the end of the day, in any situation, the same way my pros have to outweigh my cons (sometimes overwhelmingly for woman), a woman's pros have to outweigh her cons.
I bet I will take a single mother with ambition quicker than a single woman without a child and no ambition.
[anon11:56] Another point to add.. some guys think it's earier to judge a woman who does have kids more accurately bc she doesn't have to have their's before he realizes he made a mistake in judgement and that she won't be a good mother or wife. It is often easier to tell how well she will keep up her child (or potentially your child) and home after you have already seen proof. And in agreement with an earlier comment, I am meeting a lot more men who are stepping up to the plate and putting deadbeat moms to the test. There is a lot of trash out there, male and female alike and good bad or indifferent, it seems younger generations are shying away from children in general. The funny thing is, no matter how we might like to look at it, the only choices we have are to raise our children better than we were and see what it does for our community. We won't even get a chance to do that if people keep shying away from the responsibility of raising more children just because they are stuck in the selfish reality that tells them shopping and running down to Miami is really living. I wouldn't trade my child for all the drinks, friday night movies or plane tickets in the world. Those things can't take care of me when I get old.
ReplyDeleteThat's the way of the world, because face it ladies without kids, you guys clutch your pearls when you meet a dude who has a kid as well. You got it going on with your 13 degrees, career, apt, car etc and your knight in shining armor steps to you and the sheen in that breastplate quickly turns dull when he says he has a 6 yr old son. God forbid MULTIPLE kids. So lets not act like, its all good when you feel the same way we do when it comes to dealing with the opposite sex when they have kids in tow.
ReplyDeletePersonally when a women tells me she has a kid, she gets tossed to the "other" pile quick fast. Now, I don't think she is looking for a foster dad for her kids, but there is something about a women with kids that makes me immediately disqualify her for a shot at the title. I know the pickens get slim as we get older, but I guess i'm going to have to take my chances. Unless you were married, there is no reason for you to have a kid other than you were irresponsible. I managed to stay "kid free' all this time, you could've done the same.
hmmm i just feel like this post and a lot of others are about the world of dating ... and you don't necessarily meet The One through dating ... so which game are we playing? life and love? or dating?
ReplyDeletecuz when it comes to love ... if you are feeling a person ... nothing is going to stop you. fat, lisp, kids, no kids, blue collar, fake nails ... there's someone for everyone. just like chivalry is a personality trait that some women are looking for ... but not all. in love there are no rules. in fact, love breaks all rules.
keep up the GREAT blog ES!
Great post! I think men and women ofter 'wing it' when it comes to finding the right relationship. Whether women are 'blessed' to have children or not, often times our singular purpose and indecisiveness makes us shy away from women with children to those who don't. Most men in a certain geographic areas (ie da' ghetto) are raised w/out a pops so we try not to get emotionally involved with a child that doesn't belong to us. We know, this relationship may not last long, so we hate to put lil' man through the same things we resented growing up (ie. dude waitin' for me to go to sleep, 'handy man huh!', if thats dad's friend why YOU guys always hangin' out, etc.). Women with children are viewed to be more delicate because you know your actions will not only affect her. In competitive world, ALL women must be critical as to who they invite into there lives and MEN have to be more responsible regarding the relationships WE peruse (...i'm taking personal notes). I truly feel for Black Women in general, the quality of decent relationships are few....and because of that, Black men are burden'd w/ carrying the DECENT BLACK MAN label on his back. If HE screw up, it aint the kid...he was clear about his expectations, sometimes you have to listen closely as to what he sayin'! The little one is his easy out!!!!
ReplyDeleteSpeaking as a female...
ReplyDeleteI must admit I have avoided men with children to some extent but it had alot to do with the fact that men have a tendency to try to keep that baby mama door open indefinitely if possible. Some men believe their child's mother is always a place they can lay there head and who wants to walk into that crap!? A female will always fight for what she sees as hers, shit a person for that matter will, so there is only drama when the ex isn't really the ex.
I mean WTF is there to argue with somebody you moved on from at 1 and 2 in the morning.....are you serious? That shit is pillow talk....we ain't arguing playing the hang up game all day. So that is how I process it, it has nothing to do with me viewing him as tainted in any way. There just aren't too many guys that wouldn't still "hit" if it's there for the taking so why bother with that?
Speaking as a Single Mother....
Things happen, situations and people change, and life must go on. So I don't feel at any disadvantage for having children with respect to dating at all because for one thing I am a better woman because of them. And I think having found the RIGHT person, I would be a lot softer, more nuturing, selfless, shit a lot of things.
But before all that men need to realize and understand the "Almost Perfect" chic described here isn't looking for hand outs or a step-dad. She is established in her own right and you may not fit into that plan either. And yes she has a child but who says you will be good enough to meet him/her? I mean who jumps straight to step-dad mode? What happened to the he's cute....I wonder if he has a brain phase? Please give and accomplished single mother some credit...
See while you are sitting there with the fight vs flight complex she just left you with her number to see if you would be dumb enough to do just that and walked out into the world without a way to ever contact you again saying "I thought so, his loss...too bad he was kinda cute" :).....
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