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Friday, December 3, 2010

Does Size Really Matter?



Pause. With that said, the question is how much does a guy think about size? Being that we are men, do we really know what the appropriate size is? Should a guy be concerned? A man can only do what he can do; this is something a woman should be concerned with. If she loves him shouldn’t she understand and be acceptable of whatever she can get. Before I go any further, I’m going to allow you guys to get your minds out of the gutter I put them in. The size that I’m speaking of is in relation to engagement rings. And while I’m in that realm, I might as well touch on the size of weddings as well. People are getting out of control, and I understand why.

I have yet to propose to someone, but I will let you guys in on a secret. I did consider buying a special young lady an engagement ring some years ago. Sad day it was for me. My lack of knowledge depressed me. I know as much about jewelry as I know about The Real Housewives of Atlanta. All I know is that if I’m in Morningside Park kicking up dirt and I see one of those pink joints like they had in “Blood Diamond,” I’m stashing and getting out of there. Since my knowledge was limited, I did what any Stevie would do; I asked her what kind of ring she desired. Because I KNEW this was going to be my wife, the price of the Solitaire was not a concern to me, but my bank account did have some uncertainties. We know who won that battle.

If other issues didn’t arise, I would be married with a piece of metal as my first investment. Couple years out of college, of course it would have set a brother back. With her taste, who knows how much the wedding would have been. I would probably be consolidating debt as we speak. Sucker meter was on red because I was willing to do whatever. Looking back, something appears wrong with that picture. How much weight does a ring carry? I hear SINGLE women talking chit all the time about how their man better “come correct” with the ring or they are not saying yes. Is this really the case? Are women saying no to some guys because the diamond is microscopic? This is putting a lot of pressure on some men. I’m concerned that women are unfairly taking advantage of men who are under the influence. Today, if a woman who’s supposed to love me tells me her ring better be a certain size, I’m calling her bluff. I will get her the ring she wants, but I’m getting her the wood version.

I hear the rule is the ring should be worth three months of the man’s yearly salary (is that before or after taxes). There is also a rule that the wedding is supposed to be paid by the bride’s family. Is everyone following the rules? Let’s excuse ourselves from tradition sometimes, it’s hurting us. Posts ago, I discussed the importance of communication. Honest communication will help avoid any issues in the future when it comes to sizes of rings and weddings. There are many considerations that should be discussed. Does the couple have plans to buy a home? What is the job status and financial situation of the couple? Is the honeymoon preference Miami or the Ivory Coast? I’m not saying this as a plea to allow for a guy to be excused for buying a cheap ring or having a modest wedding. I’m simply saying that the type of ring and size of wedding a woman desires says a lot about her personality. The type of ring and size of wedding a man is willing to pay for says a lot about his personality. Women and men can avoid future strain on a relationship if they know if they are ring and wedding size preference compatible. Wouldn’t a man be more willing to help with the arduous planning of the wedding if he didn’t feel he was being raped on the cost? He may cooperate, but is he happy? Doesn’t he have the right to be happy about his wedding too? Some women are shaking there heads no to that one.

For those women out there in relationships who feel the proposal coming any day now and have felt that way for three or four years, ask yourself, “what’s taking him so long? Is he still saving for my ring?”

20 comments:

  1. The size of one is in direct proportion to the size of the other, doesn't matter which. The Bigger one is, the smaller the other can be. Now that's just me talkin...

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  2. I have been waiting for you to address this subject. The whole Ring/Wedding thing is getting out of control in my circle. Some of them feel like the bigger the ring/wedding, the bigger the LOVE. Spending 40K on a wedding but your bills aren't paid? Buying a 15K ring but your credit is bad? That doesn't even out to me. Instead of wanting Beyonce's 18-karat Lorraine Schwartz diamond ring, I want to be treated like a diamond ring. I want to be provided for but not in that way. Do we have food? Can we stay here for another month? Are we warm in the winter and cool in the summer? Is my car working? Can we buy another one if this one breaks down? Can we go to the doctor? Those are my concerns. I'm not gonna care about how cute my wedding was if I’m hungry. If you can afford to buy a nice ring, that's cool. That's something I will wear on my finger until I die so it’s worth it. But if you can't, that’s not a reflection of our LOVE. Buying me a big ring and not fulfilling my needs isn’t gonna work either!! As far as weddings are concerned, I feel like it’s a lot of money for one day. The pictures are beautiful and the booze is great but I don't think its worth all the money. I would rather put the emphasis on the marriage and the foundation without sweating the material $hit. That isn’t important to me. I can buy my own fancy jewelry, purses, and weaves but I can’t buy that unbreakable bond. The intimacy, commitment, friendship, trust, SEX, and LOVE isn’t enhanced by the ring and my wedding. Michelle Obama has a small ring and Beyonce has a freaking tumor and they both seem equally happy! And I will be too! With whatever size I get!

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  3. This is a good one. As a newly "engaged" woman I have an interesting take on this topic. I am having a fairly modest wedding in 8 months (200 guests, approx 30k)and I have yet to receive my ring. A lot of women that I know would never walk around planning a wedding and telling people that they are getting married without something shiny on their ring finger. I couldn't care less. I am getting a ring, and my fiance is not saving up for it, but if he was that would be fine too. He just happens to be a military contractor who is currently in Iraq. He'll be home on Christmas eve and sometime after that he will "surprise" me with a ring. I am excited to see what he picked out for me. The fact that we are going to spend the rest of our lives together is the best part of it all. Now that I got all of that out of the way let me backpedal and say that I DO care about getting a ring, I also have an expectation of what my ring will be like. Of course I know that the size or amount the ring costs doesn't equal our love yada yada yada but my fiance is doing okay financially and although we are paying for half of our 200 guest(and that's only bc we have big families, I'd like it to be smaller) wedding, we already have money set aside for the purchase of a new home and we will not be set back because of the ring or wedding. Now, my fiance has always taken the time out to know what I like. He always brings home the biggest red velvet cupcake, hot fries from McDonald's, the chocolate chip cookie with the most chocolate chips and whenever he brings me flowers it's always a bouquet that is as mixed up as my personality BUT it always includes my favorite flower somewhere... in other words, he gets me and he pays attention. If he comes home with a ring that is not a reflection of me or that he didn't take his time with... I would not only be surprised, I would be disappointed. Not bc it's not big enough or expensive enough, but I think a man should consider what he wants his wife to wear for the rest of her life as a symbol of their union, then be realistic in what they can afford... for me... it better be HOT! lol just being honest!

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  4. hmmmm
    Well I'm not a gold digger by any stretch of the imagination however... YES size matters.
    But it varies...if a couple has been together forever and traveled a very bumpy road I've noticed the rings reflect the "patience" if you will.
    I think a man should get a ring he'd be proud to have his woman show...even to HIS boys b/c you know everyone will ask to see it! So if you are proud of it... i'm proud of it.
    As I get older the less importance or emphasis I place on the size of the ring or wedding for that matter. I care about our union most. Have we prepared or are we preparing for OUR future. I'm not paying for 300 of our closest strangers to eat and drink and never to hear from them again. They won't be there when we are going through the "for worst" part and encourage us to stick it out. So i'm all for small intimate weddings.
    But as for the ring, i'll wear it for life or until the upgrade...:)
    Size does matter... the size of the devotion, commitment, loyalty, love and mutual respect is what matters. Size of the wedding not at all, size of the ring... a little but not so much.

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  5. Good one!!!
    I agree with many of the points that A1, 2 and 3 made. Im probably going to be cursed out for this but its my opinion so here it goes. Personally I do not think that the size of the ring is a reflection of anything other than the status one views themselves in. Its screaming to the world, Im marrying well!! A ring is a ring and it’s suppose to symbolize your union and commitment to one another. And lets face it, you can get a sparkly 3+ carat and be treated like crap. I do think that women do put all this pressure on men to outdo themselves. (I blame it on fairytales) Instead they should love whatever they get because it was purchased for you by the man you love especially if there are financial constraints. And ladies there is always the option to upgrade which I think is a wonderful way for your husbands to show you how he would marry you all over again. I guess by now you probably know, that although they are beautiful, I don't agree with the whole big wedding thing. Weddings are great, but a waste, your entertaining all of these people, for what, status, you want everyone to say how wonderful your wedding was. Think about it does the couple that elopes or gets married in there backyard love each other any less than the one that spends 50K on a lavish wedding. I would much rather invest those funds to purchasing a home or on us as a couple and our future, not on 75 friends/family and 125 “who was that”. Thats just my opinion as an average person, however if your super paid then maybe I would reconsider. LOL

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  6. Very interesting topic…I had a similar conversation the other day.

    From the moment we (girls) are old enough to understand, we are bombarded with the idea that our “Prince Charming” will ride on his white horse, sweep us off our feet and plant a huge diamond on our finger. Then we will have the fantasy wedding of a lifetime and live happily ever after. We can thank the geniuses at Disney for that image. We romanticize the ring, the proposal and the wedding to the point where we neglect the most important detail… THE MARRIAGE! I will admit it is very nice to look down at your finger and see a flawless, 3 carat, round or radiant cut, G or H in color (not to be picky) diamond sparkling back at you. But the size of the rock will not compensate for the lack of true love and companionship. The love of a man does not equate to the size of the diamond.

    I believe that when a man proposes he should have some sort of symbol of his intent, however, the size of the symbol is entirely up to him. For some men, the size of the ring is another symbol of status. Like his car, his job and his home, the ring says to the world “yeah I got it”. Whereas for others, the ring is a symbol of his sacrifice, intent, commitment. I don’t believe that a man who is deeply in love would make such a purchase without the desire for “her” to love it. And ladies, you should know your man well enough to know that if he made such a huge decision to “pop” the question, then you should have some idea as to what it may have taken for him to purchase the ring. Keeping that in mind, when he gets down on that knee, opens the box and begins to utter those life altering words, the size should not matter. On the other hand, if he has the means to get the larger diamond and he chooses not to; does that mean he loves you any less? And ladies, would it matter to you then or is love still enough?

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  7. First, to the anonymous poster(s), whether friend of foe, thanks for your honesty. Anonymous with the $30K wedding, I don't think that's modest, but sh*t obviously you got it so ball out and congratulations! ;)

    Nothing makes my skin crawl more than hearing a woman say, "my ring better be ...." I think its selfish, inconsiderate and tacky. In today's society of over indulgence and "I got to have the new new sh*t", many women just want to be able to show off their rock and make other woman envious. Now, don't get me wrong, there are men who put themselves behind the eight ball so they can say they brought their fiancee the "Beyonce joint" too.

    With all this said, the whole point of the ring is being lost. The ring represents the union, commitment and the never ending bond. Not, who is more blingy. Don't get me wrong if you got it and want to buy you fiancee a 12 carat rock, by all means. I just don't think its fair for a woman to demand a ring of a particular size, then throw a fit if it doesn't meet her standard. The size of the rock doesn't mean a thing, after all he is marrying you so you did something right.

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  8. I like the idea of getting what you can afford and then a guy surprising a woman with a more expensive ring later. The second ring may even be needed because a husband may have to spark marriage to keep wife focused.

    Lol 200 guests is not modest. Who are you the president? lol. 30k, idk about that one either. What percentage of the salary is the wedding suppose to cost?

    3rd anonymous, I commend you for being in your situation and speaking on it. I hope ppl read your comment and understand that you are confident because you KNOW your husband and you trust him. A lot of ppl are going to say your crazy, but thats the point. Lots of people are having lavish weddings and gaudy rings simply for the purpose of impressing unimportant people. A marriage should only involve the two ppl getting married and whatever arrangement they make is up to them. FUCK what everyone else thinks.

    Well put PC.

    Anonymous 4, I see where you are coming from, but I dont totally agree. Some ppl just like to do it big. If they love it, I respect it. but if your my boy, dont come to me asking for help. And a big wedding can be a great thing. If well planned it can provide timeless memories. and we know how important those are.

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  9. To the young lady having the 'modest' $30K, 200+ guest wedding......let me borrow $20. LOL!

    In an attempt to be transparant, I am married with a pretty nice size ring, I think, and had a fairly intimate wedding (100 guests, no debt). I never had a discussion about ring size with my husband and never really had the 'marriage' talk. (he's lucky I said yes because that was a complete shot in the dark, lol) But he nailed it with the ring. I believe that men know their women. You know if your woman is going to make a big deal over the size of the ring and/or wedding or not. So knowing your woman, you are going to do what you can to try and get a ring closest to the size that she would prefer. Now, If women are saying 'No' to men on bended knee because he 'didn't come correct' with the ring, she's a noodle and isn't the marrying type any way. That says a lot about one's character.

    If I had it to do all over again, I would keep my same ring but instead of a wedding, I would go to Vegas with firends and family, get married and party it up. That's what i wanted to do anyway, but ironically, my husband wanted the traditional wedding. So since he hooked a sista up on the ring, I said, 'I don't normally do this but.....lets plan a traditional wedding.'

    At the end of the day, as Pabvon said, its the side of the commitment that truely counts, because I could be in divorce court next year with my big ring. And then what....

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  10. I feel the size shouldn't matter unless you are a nba star trying to get your woman a 1,200 dollar ring.. but if you are a average Joe and you get a nice ring that's not expensive and your woman complains, obviously she ain't ish and you need to find someone else.

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  11. Great topic ES!

    I'll go ahead and be bold and say that size DOES matter to me. I don't want a Beyonce ring but I do want a ring that draws some attention and I don't mean the kind that involves snickering. I'll take it back to "tradition," which ES briefly mentioned, to explain why I deserve and expect a semi-flashy ring...

    Traditionally, the man buys the engagement ring and the woman pays for the wedding. Therefore, at the time I decided I was ready to be in a serious relationship, I also decided it was time to save for the wedding. I don't believe that progession from commited relationship to committed marriage should be delayed because of money, but at the same time I know the wedding I've always dreamed of, so my thought was why cheat myself? Why wait till I find the husband to start saving? I think the topic of ring size is only an issue these days because we've lost some traditional values. Lots of women are sitting back waiting for their man to buy the ring, pay for the wedding AND put the down payment on the house. These same women say it's a "joint effort" but is it really?

    Now ladies, I know some of you are lucky enough to have love sneak up on you. You probably didn't save in advance because you weren't expecting your prince to arrive so soon, so this message is not for you. But for my fellow sistahs who have decided that you're ready to settle down, are you really ready if you have no idea how you're going to pay for the wedding? Finances is a huge responsibility in marriage. How you handle the wedding is your first test and I really don't believe that doing a small almost non-existent wedding is the answer, unless that's what you've always wanted. Your wedding is one time (hopefully), do it big if that's what you want, but be PREPARED for it. Whether you want to accept it or not it is the woman's responsibility, not the man's.

    I feel that my man should and would step to the challenge of buying me a nice ring because he loves me AND cause he knows I got the wedding covered. Now it is almost 2011, so he will have to contribute something to the wedding (I'm not that traditional, lol!) but I will carry the bulk of the financial commitment. He knows I'm doing my part so I trust that he will do his. I'm not even going to get into what happens if he buys me a small ring, cause the man for me will understand and share my views on financial planning. Oh and btw, the size of the wedding will match whatever money is saved at that time. I do not believe in taking out loans for weddings.

    So ladies I hope you get my point... Stop putting pressure on the man for a big ring (or accepting a small wedding when that's not what you really want) and start saving for the wedding. I believe a true respectful man will do his part if you do yours.

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  12. I think Stephen made some valid points but honestly, I think this all goes back to the bird factor — and all birds don't have dusty feathers and Walmart panties. Some are fabulously garbed, alluring creatures, lol.

    A ring is a symbol of the union, but don't get all philosophical when we're doing recon in the diamond district and ball out when it's time for you to get your car, or go on the next guy's trip. Be fair. I'm a team player, but realize that I will wear that ring everyday for the rest of your life — make it something I will love.

    I have never been proposed to and I look forward to the day. I hope my future spouse doesn't just think about what he likes, but what I'll love — and what we need. We don't need debt. But I do need to feel fabulous. If he puts effort in we can can have both. I have taken at least four men to buy engagement rings for their wives. They loved their ladies enough to find a resource that could make their blah, bling. All of the women were pleased and none of the men broke the bank.

    We can have it all.

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  13. I have read and reread this post three times, and funny enough I think I should read it one more time before I type out my comment. I made absolutely sure not to glimpse at the comments left by fellow readers for fear of spending my time making counter arguments and agreeable points in relation or retaliation towards another opinion. With all of that out of the way I would like to admit something....

    I have NEVER given any REAL thought to any of this. I think I feel somewhat ashamed or slightly oblivious to things of this (marital customs/traditions) nature. I suppose I fall under the self imposed category of the person who never saw themselves getting married. So, in turn it becomes a non issue for me. However, now that the topic is here, and I have given it a bit of thought I feel the "size" of the ring or the wedding is of no importance to me. If there were anything that I would want to have a say in, it would be the design of the rings. That may sound contradictory, but i'll explain. The size of the diamond(s) doesn't matter, but I would want something unique which would reflect my or even both of our personalities (last time I checked I think he wears a ring too)and I think making our rings together, coming up with the design, and possibly engraving would be a fun, tedious but rewarding project for us both. As for the wedding and guests, i'll leave that up to him, I don't need a big show, and I'd much rather beautiful pictures and memories with him on the Ivory Coast as opposed to drunken relatives, last minute cheap gifts, awkward speeches, and a brewing fight at the wedding/reception. I guess the most I could hope for is that he knows my heart and my style, and if he does not he should know that he could always talk to me about it and we can build from there.

    sidenote: This reminds me of an old sex and the city episode when Aidan bought the wrong damn ring for Carrie, and she made that "ghetto gold" comment. smh

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  14. As already stated by most, the ring is supposed to represent the union - a never ending bond, hence its circular shape. When the hell did a mountainous iceberg come into the picture??

    I recently had to deal with such an issue. My now ex girlfriend kept complaining about why it appeared I wasn't in the market for a ring - a ring she described to me in such great detail, that I was able to draw that shit on a cocktail napkin to a T! This ring had not one, but three stones (marquis center, baguetts either side). On my salary, nobody had them for cheap! And I'm not the type of person to cop bullshit, so I figured is make power moves within my career so that I may one day get to that point. I even suggested going to the JP to get married, to show my commitment and put it on paper, but this was not a feasible option for her. Her approach (along with other factors) spoke a lot about what she truly valued in a relationship. Long story short, I'm single now. Unfortunate, but necessary. Can't imagine how miserable I woulda been under alternate circumstances.

    I'd willingly put a decent ring on my lady's finger, but because I want to, not because she requires it. Shit, imma catch dammit, and a woman I adore should be elated someone like me would be willing to spend the rest of my life foreva bonded to her!

    Ok, jumped out the window a lil bit with that last statement, but I landed on the fire escape! Holla! Lol!

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  15. When I first heard about the whole three months salary tradition I though it was ridiculous. Yet I mentioned it to my boyfriend. Afterwards I felt bad because I don't want him to think my ring needs to cost that much. BUT, since he spares no cost when it comes to electronics yet wants to penny-pinch when it comes to my ring, I'm gonna feel some kind of way. I just want it to be taken seriously.

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  16. As a woman who has been proposed to and had the guts to say "NO" based on the ring presented i feel like i should chime in. First i want to be clear I AM IN NO WAY A GOLD DIGGER or a FLUZZY or a NOODLE for saying no when i was underwhelmed by the ring.
    I feel that within a relationship you are learning your partner just as much as they are learning you. My former partner didnt know me and hence he got a bullshyt ring that showed me on how many different levels he didnt know me. i am a woman who barley wears any jewelry but the pieces that i do choose to wear tend to be funky/quirky and very non traditional. so when this guy got down on his knee and opened the box to show me a cheap, fake, mightbeplastic ring with a sizable mustbeplasticmixedwithglass bobbule on it i almost cried from sheer dissappointment. i would have been happier with a gorgeous polished wood band....serious that would have been 1000000% times better.
    the ring presented showed lack of fore thought, little effort and no sense of who i was. this is what women want. it doesnt matter about the size of the ring what matters is that the ring reflects me and who my partner perceives me to be. dont go broke, but please go all out, or else u will hear a no and she will be perfectly jusitified

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  17. Size does matter. As a guy you want to give your future a ring that symbolizes how much you love her and also let other dudes know that that's me homie. It's a status symbol for the guy and the girl. You don't want to have to get a ear glass to see the rock. The dude should get the biggest rock he can afford at the time and upgrade it as time goes on. Now if a female says that it isn't big enough to a guy who bust his ass to get it, f*&* her cause she aint worth it in the long run. True love will outlast the shine of any diamond.

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  18. I like simple things, but as Anonymous before me stated, I do require quality. Something dainty but tasteful will do. If a woman is in love, she'll accept no matter what. I accepted with no ring one time, but left him before he got it.

    I dont care much for weddings generally. If one is necessary, it'd like it to be a small as possible, but still very nice, as nice as we can possibly manage. Something classy but fun. Ugh! And no super huge itchy dress either. Those drive me crazy.

    It surprises me that women have made men believe that this is such a serious issue. If you've found the person you want to be with forever, the ring should be the least of your worries.

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  19. Ring size AND quality (even more so) matter. I don't want a dusty ring. Period. I'm a quality girl...get me a quality ring. Period. My husband knows this already though :-)

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