I often hear women say that we men don't know what we want (As if women actually know what they want). In some cases true, but when it comes to the type of woman, we know exactly what we want.
When a relationship is going smoothly and suddenly becomes stagnant or flatlined for no apparent reason, sometimes a woman thinks the guy is confused. He said and even acted like he wanted to be with her. Although he is confusing the hell out of her and everyone else for that matter, confusion is not the correct adjective. He may be scared, sympathetic, or plain stupid, but he is not confused. Men, similar to women, have certain levels to which we will deal with the opposite sex. We will consider a woman for friendship, booty calls, a girlfriend, a wifey, a mistress, spades partner, actual wife, etc. All of this depends on where you fall in our list of qualifications. No matter what kind of relationship or plans we make, don’t believe us until you know what attracts us. Knowing what attracts us is the only way to truly verify if there is a chance. Lust or the opposite of lust may cloud our judgment at times. We do and say stupid things under the influence of both. The sad part is that we may actually believe we are telling the truth, but when the honeymoon is over, reality sets in. Delusional, not confused.
The things that attract us are not debatable. They are non-negotiable. In a lot of cases they are deal breakers. We know what these things are and we know what weight they carry. So the actual confusion comes in when the women do not know or understand what weight a certain attraction holds. It would help if a lot of guys were more clear and forthright when divulging this information. It could help a woman out tremendously if she chooses to listen. I say choose to listen because a lot of times, in the beginning a woman asks a man “what kinds of women do you like”. After hearing his list, the woman knows that she doesn't fit in his shopping cart, yet she's trying to make it to the register. She ignores him because she thinks after he gets to know her he will forget what he likes. WRONG! Although she may have great qualities, they aren’t the qualities that he prefers.
I will be the lab rat; and if you know me, you know I don't care if you judge me, I welcome it. If I somehow am taken off the market, she will possess a large portion of these qualities. After reading what attracts me, everyone (men and women) should speak to the person they are interested in, and find out what attracts them.
There are four categories that I use to classify a woman. They are personality, aesthetics, public impression, and philosophy/ morals.
Personality - funny, smart, inquisitive, sense of humor, down to earth, sassy, confident, common sense, ambitious, loyal, honest, adventurous, spontaneous, understanding, tough-minded, and thick skinned.
Aesthetics – Nia Long in Friday, Stacy Dash in everything, Sade in ‘Baby Father’ video (she put some weight on), Alicia Keys, Lauren London in Entourage (pre Lil Wayne), YaYa on ANTM (not in person though, she looked like she had a little weight on television), the first Trina poster (that may still be on the ceiling of my DC apt.), Sanaa Lathan. Any woman down with Prince. There’s plenty more, but I had to stop as some point.
Public Impression – I’m going to take it back to the 80’s with this expression. “She has to be dope!” In a room full of beautiful women, she has to be the one who stands out. Not because she’s beautiful, but because she’s dope.
Philosophy/ Morals – God first, family oriented, and free-willed.
Based on this list alone, I know a woman’s potential within the first 5 minutes of meeting her. It does not mean she is a bad person, but I know what works for me and what I’m looking for. It also does not mean there is not a spot for her. When an expansion team is filling out their roster, most players may not have all the tools, but they will serve as key role players around the franchise player. But also remember, one man’s trash or role player is another man’s treasure or franchise player.
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[anon 11:56] okay... the only thing I dont understand is what if a guy does have those qualities you are looking for.. and you have the qualities he is looking for, but he just is not interested in you. ( or you arent sure) No female wants to just chase. So, should you wait until it seems like he is going to consider paying attention to you? Or do you decide to keep it pushing because he does not express interest immediately? I know a lot of people that suffer from missed timing. Every time each person is involved in a relationship, it ends while the other person did not wait, and then they just switch roles, but were always interested most in one another. That was really described poorly, but you get my drift. (i hope)
ReplyDeleteBrilliant once again! The biggest jewel that women should take from this is, "the woman knows that she doesn't fit in his shopping cart, yet she's trying to make it to the register. She ignores him because she thinks after he gets to know her he will forget what he likes." When a mans mind is made up, its made up. Let me entertain you all with a personal story. I was diggin an older babe when we were in college. She was a senior and I was a matriculating junior fresh from a stint at a community college. She hit me with the "you're too young" line blah blah blah. Fast forward, we reconnect a couple years later, she catches the vapors and I was honestly over her. She wants to hook up and "see where it can go", I was fresh off a break up (my first love) and I wasn't trying to go there, SEE: "I was honestly over her." After repeated telling her I wasn't into her like that, she tried to put it on me to reverse my thinking. FAIL. Fast forward 10 years and hundreds of bangs later she professes her undying love for me and how this p***y will always be mines blah blah blah but wants to know why we cant go to that next level. Because I TOLD YOUR DUMB ASS 10 YEARS AGO I WASN'T INTO YOU LIKE THAT ANYMORE. You chose not to listen and thought you can sneak into VIP, wrong.
ReplyDeleteLadies stop trying to change men and take what we say for face value. When we say something we usually mean it. No deciphering necessary.
*Blink, Blink, Blink* well I don't think there's anything left to be said. Great post!
ReplyDeleteAnd I always love reading what the Mighty has to say... now where's my SHERO (Samantha)
I do agree and am guilty of thinking... yeah he SAYS he doesn't want to get married but once he gets to know me... why wouldn't he? NO MORE! lol
Ladies we REALLY have to just LISTEN to what's being said, and have our own grocery list so we don't go jumping into his grocery list hoping to get to the register. Instead we should be comparing lists and saying CHECK, CHECK, CHECK, let's make dinner together! (did that make sense?)
Thanks guys!
So what happens when you run into the average lyin ass nergo. the one who wll regal you with tales of how he dreams of this wonderful future with you and how your are so beautiful and intelligent and fun and down to earth and you would be the best mother his children could ever have and how in love he is and how he just know that u r the one he is gonna marry because u r everything he has been searching for. and everything is great and then BOOM!!!!! u find out that he has chicks on the side or double boom u r the side chick! wtf?! what is that about? that is not confusion in my book that is decitful. and he might really mean that he loves ya but why the hell would u want his love? even tho he is perfect for you?.......MEN i still dont understand...not sure i ever will.
ReplyDeleteEs,
ReplyDeleteGreat Post! But I must insist that most women know almost exactly what they want. Women have lists that they carry around with them, its all up here *taps temple*. (Pabvon, dont abandon me here, lol) Some of them have even written it down somewhere. Catch a woman off guard somewhere and ask her. They end up with losers sometimes because they settle.
Your classifications are awesome. I appreciate your standards on "Personality". "Aesthetics", seemed a little narrow, but "Public Impression" was unique and absolutely dead on. Finding "pretty" is easy (or not, so I've heard LOL), but finding someone who is so bad that she stands out in a crowd full of attractive women... priceless. Thats the difference between preference and taste.
Mighty D.R,
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Shame on you. Maybe your charm and quick wit are so disarming that the need for flattery via compliments or feigned vulnerability is nonexistent... but for the rest, deciphering is "necessary".
"...take what we say for face value. When we say something we usually mean it." Yes, unless he is trying a)to get in your pants, b) stay in your pants, c) place access to your pants on reserve to come back to (if he feels the desire) later on, or d) none of the above: He's already hit it and thinks you're a genuine person, so he is kind which keeps you from feeling "used" when the relationship is over, which is ironic and self-serving because its for the sake of his own self-image and not yours.
I've gambled and won, and gambled and lost. If a woman knows she will be devastated by a man's rejection and KNOWS she isnt his type, I wouldnt recommend that she play. Find someone who's type you ARE. I gamble like the money's already lost. Maybe you'll win. If not, maybe next time he goes over his "list" you will be the reason he changes or adds something;-)
There goes my baby! Well this is in response to my baby (for those who don't know, Samantha) but she is exempt from this "lil lesson" since she pretty much got this thing down packed.
ReplyDeleteI should have been clearer when I say a women should take what a man says at face value. If the two have been dating for a significant amount of time, hopefully you two are being honest. That does not mean, ABANDON YOUR COMMON SENSE! If you meet a man on Thursday and on Friday he is promising you the sun,moon and stars...HELLO!! HE'S RUNNING GAME. Now I am a firm believer that you cannot have any type of relationship if you are skeptical or always have your eyebrow raised at the person you are dating. Bottom line, protect yourself at all times, but at least step into the ring.
Anon 11:56, somebody is lying, if you have everything he desires, he should be interested. Or perhaps there's more to the story. Sometimes we don't know everything about what's going on in someones life. He could be dealing with serious issues which are not allowing him to get at you when you want him too. Be patient, give a little time. If something better comes along, you have a choice, continue to wait, or move on. If homeboy is the one, it will work out, it always does. To make it easier, ask him why he isn't interested, you may get lucky and he won't lie. BTW, no guy wants to just chase either.
ReplyDeleteThis post somewhat addresses the issue of "settling" in a back door (no rainbow) kind of way. Women and men will both settle for something that isn't completely what they wanted. But my point is beware of the man that settles, this is the one that cheats. Something's missing, duh?!
@ 2nd anonymous, whether you buy your dresses online or in the store, you have to try that bad muthashutyomouth on at some point right?? Do your research, don't be so gullible. In the beginning, which can be weeks or years for some people, take everything he says for face value, but most importantly do your research. Unless he's the best liar in the world, at some point he has to come clean, if that point never happens, fuck it, he worked hard enough lying that he's a good catch. lol.
@ Samantha, we just need to have a sit down. You spoke on enough for 3 more posts, you're the best. I will say that women are similar to men in this case. I know about the list, I've seen a few, when I first saw one years ago, I was shocked and impressed. So impressed, I've been recommending the process for years. It helps a woman be honest with herself. She can also alter it as time passes. But women will find the guy that has everything and not believe its true. She ends up dragging her feet when he comes correct because he's straight to the point and doesn't want to play the games and he then moves on.
And as far as aethetics, I'm into beauty. The list is limited, but if you sit me in a park on a park bench, my head would be on a swivel observing the many types of beauty displayed by women. Ask some of the women I've went to lunch or dinner with j/k lol
[anon 11:56] lmbo... i'm not in the mood o ask anyone why they aren't interested.. as productive as that might seem..
ReplyDelete**WARNING** THE BELOW IS NOT DIRECTED TO ANY FEMALE ON OR OFF THIS BLOG
ReplyDeleteWomen, you need to be really I mean REALLY honest with yourself. Are you as fly as you THINK you are? Sure, you have a degree and your "sh*t together", but that doesn't make you THE sh*t. I run into women all the time who profess this and 9 out of 10 are out of shape (muffin tops), unattractive or a combination of the two. So look in the mirror, are you really that fly or can you afford to run a mile to burn off that gut, do some tricep work to burn off that flabby underarm, buy voluminous eyelash stuff to accentuate your eyelashes instead of gluing on, badly might I say, 3 inch fake ones. Is your weave not only bad, but down to your ass? Men don't give a rats a** about your accomplishments in life. Impressive yes. Would we like an educated woman with her "sh*t together", of course. Does all that matter when you look like Rasputia from Norbit? NO WAY. And for my Latinas, NO WAY JOSE.
Ladies, you need to really take inventory and determine if you can truly afford to question why a guy aint into you, even though you look great on paper. I also am a firm believer in "there is someone for everyone" theory so be patient. Of course everyone wants companionship, but perhaps you need to be more realistic in your pursuit.
[anon 11:56] A Question for the Mighty D.R.- So does not having all of your chit together determine whether or not you should be with someone who loves you? Guys get with females all the time and they do not have all of their chit together. Doesn't someone deserve to get the nice guy (forgive the melodramatic analogy but you get my drift) from Why Did I Get Married?, that loves you for your beautiful self and wants to work out with you and make sure that you are happier while getting your chit together. Yea, I even crack myself up conceiving of that kind of fantasy.
ReplyDeleteVery good topic! And, I appreciate what Es and Mighty DR have contributed but I have a few thoughts for you to consider (all said in a friendly tone of course)...
ReplyDeleteMighty DR, you gave all your superficial reasons for why a woman might not be the bomb, but are YOU the bomb? And before you answer, unless you look like Boris Kodjoe, Edris Elba or even Paul Walker’s black twin, the answer is NO! Do you have those perfect six pack abs? Do you have flawless skin and stand taller than 6’1”? Are you the perfect combo of roughness yet refined? If you have all these things PLUS you’re educated then I gracefully bow down to you. You may possibly be the sh*t! But, if you don’t then welcome to the muffin-top club, the fake eyelash club, the weave down your back club, pretty much, welcome to the imperfect club!
I’m not writing to knock anyone (especially not you Mighty DR). My point is the tension between men and women forms when women with imperfections are being rejected by MEN with imperfections. (Yes! Men do have imperfections.) The media has become so over saturated with books and articles dedicated to women understanding how men think that men nowadays feel that all they have to do is throw on a clean shirt, grab their dick to make sure they’re still men, then step out the door. Lots of men step out their houses believing it’s a guarantee that tons of women will fall at their feet and if they don’t, it’s the woman’s fault. Why? Cause he’s a man and all that matters is what HE thinks.
ES, you said in your response to Samantha “But women will find the guy that has everything and not believe its true. She ends up dragging her feet when he comes correct because he's straight to the point and doesn't want to play the games and he then moves on.” Is that really how men rationalize rejection these days? It made me chuckle cause it actually sounds like something a misinformed woman would say. Do men ever consider that maybe you DON’T meet her list (although you feel you do) and maybe you are NOT the bomb to her? Let me share an experience with you...
I dated a guy this summer who was really into me. He asked me to be exclusive with him and I told him... Drum roll please... “I’m not looking for anything serious right now.” But, did he interpret it as “I’m not that into you” which is what women are taught men actually mean when they say this? Of course not! Why? Because men have placed the burden of proof on the woman. He’s a man. Why wouldn’t I want him? Right... So his response was, “That’s cool. I’ll wait till you’re ready.” He was truly convinced that there really was no way I couldn’t be into him. Let’s just say I had to get ugly with him to finally convince him that although he thought he was the bomb and he thought he matched my list, I DID NOT AGREE!
So to quote Mighty DR (with a little variation)... MEN “Are you as fly as you THINK you are?” I know this blog is for women but you can’t discuss solutions without addressing both sides of the problem. Good women are being rejected because they don’t compare to Lauren London or Sanaa Latham, both media icons who have an entourage of beauty specialists ensuring that they look their best every second of the day. Then on the flip side, men who are sub-par themselves expect to be accepted by ALL women who peak their interest. And, if it’s not reciprocated then the issue has to be her.
Good post Es! I’ve told you before that I like when men are open about their list. Does it hurt my feelings if I don’t match it? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on how I feel about the guy but either way I rather know upfront that I’m not what he wants, that way neither of us wastes our time. And, I never have hard feelings towards a man who’s not attracted to me (although rare). I may not have turned HIS head but the guy standing next to him sure is drooling. ;)
Well Anon 11:56, first, you should be with someone who loves you period. Chit together or not. The point I was trying to make is a lot of women think they are dimes when they are really wooden nickels and they use the fact that they have their chit together as the #1 reason they shouldn't be single. When, chit together or not, they're a hot mess. Ideally yes, every woman deserves a man that will work with them like homeboy did from Why Did I Get Married, but this is real life. A guy may see your potential and hang in there, but what I'm talking about is honesty with ones self first. I hate to hear a woman run off this list.
ReplyDelete"My Man Gotta Be"
1) Making six figures
2) Be in shape
3) Have all his hair
4) Drive a (insert luxury car)
5) Over 6 feet
6) Have a nice place
blah blah blah, when you:
1) make low five figures
2) are way out of shape
3) Beyonce weaved or laced wigged up
4) Have an unlimited metro card
5) 5 feet on a good day
6) have roomates
Bottom line, strive for the best, but take inventory of yourself first before saying why can't I get this type of man
@ Lady T (Friendly tone of course) great response, by the way. Let me address myself first.
ReplyDeleteAm I perfect? Not by a long shot
Am I the bomb? Hardly
Boris Kodjoe, Edris Elba, Paul Walker’s black twin? My neighbor says Boris Kodjoe little brother, but he wasn't on your list, so again, No.
Do you have those perfect six pack abs? Not if I tried.
Do you have flawless skin and stand taller than 6’1”? Not at all, does 6'1/2" respectively, make your requirements? Probably not, so I will say again No.
Are you the perfect combo of roughness yet refined? I don't know what the perfect combo percentages work out to be so for arguments sake, I'll say no again.
I am educated, so 1 yes out of 7 no's has to count for something.
Now, yes, some men think because the ratio is in our favor we can be total d**ks and have our pick of the litter. And yes some of us think we are flyer than we are as well, BUT, I have never heard a man complain he can't get a woman even though his chit is together. That was the point I was trying to make before we got "here."
Hell, a woman will be with him just for that reason alone, where very few men will be with a woman just for that reason. Look at all these athletes who look like who did it and ran, with these beautiful wives. I digress, you said all my reasons are superficial. Yes they are because I'm not a mind reader and all I have to go on is what I see. If I don't find you attractive, we aren't going to get to a romantic level. Sure, you can be a great person, and we can be cool, but if the attraction lacks, who are we kiddin? With that said I'm not perfect and have dated women with imperfections, weaves, crooked teeth and yes even muffin tops. Believe it or not, I'm not superficial and my ex of 5 years was a plain as they come.
I agree, there is definitely tension between the sexes and I was only giving you the male perspective. And, women with imperfections reject men with imperfections also so maybe we all need to dial down our expectations.
And yes, I signed off with two Mighty Mighty's
(TS:~) Love this post! I must admit it was very informative and insightful. At the end of the day reading both the female as well our male counter parts thoughts it seems that it all boils down to 1 basic thing with regards to finding your other half or from another perspective, reason why you can't, THE LIST! (Assuming we are are discussing valid players in the game and no fake bosses running yesteryear's lines or unemployed females looking for somebody to give them outfit money)
ReplyDeleteLadies maybe we have slept on men a little to long as far as not entertaining the fact that men have more than "physical" requirements. Now by no means am I down playing how important the physical attributes are to men as "The Mighty DR" has affirmed but ES has given us a list that could hold its weight to one of our own!
Now having said that though DR & ES I must ask, if men are as committed to their list and a woman should take heed and assume he is once this information has been shared, is it not understandable that some women may be confused because men often will use sex as a smoke screen? By that I mean a man can knock off someone just because or someone he really likes immediately. With no pre reqs...
Women on the other if we are "List shopping" will take it to the grave. All the losers that wouldn't normally make the cut that slipped through the cracks and negotiated a contract did so during clearance season.
ES, yes men know what they want but they don't always express it in a timely fashion so some females believing they change what a man wants is understandable . Both parties have to be REALISTIC and FORTHCOMING with their list as well as what type of shopping they are doing. From that point everthing is mutual! A dinner date, a booty call, whatever. As long as the feild has been leveled between the two parties meaning EVERYONE knows what it is going in so there is no confusion on the exit..
Anon 11:56,
ReplyDeleteGirl, do you want a life partner or a sexy personal trainer? Lol. Jk. I am sure you are looking for a decent, honest, hardworking, intelligent man and you are entitled. However, why not consider getting into "the mood" to ask him why he may not be interested in you? Dont fear what he may say. First, know what you bring to the table as a woman and a lover, then be brave and ask;-) It, afterall, will be only one man's opinion and will make you no less an awesome and beautiful woman. IF you are confident, his criticism should not wound you. It really is less personal than you think.
Lady T,
Your defense of women who may be not be conventionally beautiful was thorough:-)
The Mighty D.R,
I hope you realize that the "list" you used, as an example of what a woman's may look like, is atypical and tragic.
To no one in particular,
Its too bad that both sexes seem so consumed by such ridiculously trivial factors. And furthermore, its easy to hide behind what you anticipate to be on the list of the opposite sex (containing: SURPRISE! your own insecurities) without having offered you own list first for the chopping block.
Great responses by all parties, but after re-reading my previous post, I don't see where I detailed a "list." So, with that said, in order to clear the air, here is my list (ahem)
ReplyDelete1)Intelligence: Nothing attracts me more to a woman then intelligence. She doesn't even have to have advance degrees and what not, but be articulate and conscious. Know whats going on around you,in the world and be able to hop into any conversation on any subject and stand firm = Sexy.
2) Honesty: A woman that tells it like it is can't be denied and you have no choice but to respect her.
3) Values: I like a woman with a strong sense of values and good moral fiber.
4) Natural Beauty: I prefer a natural woman. The less accessories the better in my book. Accessories being: weave, eyelashes, nails, excessive make-up, dare I say implants.
5) Sexually Free: Please don't take the word free as gang bangs and two on ones. Free as in willing to please me, as I will her and down to pull your panties aside 10:30pm in Central Park.
SHOCKER beauty is fourth on my list. Its true. YES, the physical is the first thing that sticks out because that is what attracts you and the first thing you see. She can be bad as hell if 1-3 isn't present, she's just a pretty chic with no substance. We'll get to 5, but that's all it will be. It gets old, trust me, I tried.
@ my boo Samantha, if the "list" you are referring to is in my second post, after hearing billions of men conversations, those things mentioned are brought up most in list of dislikes so to give some woman an insight to the male likes and dislikes, I harped on it. Biased yes, but I had to harp. (ok, maybe not billions,lol) I respect your stance nonetheless.
Great conversation everyone! We're all learning something here.
@Mighty D.R,
ReplyDeleteThe "My Man's Gotta Be" list.
1) Making six figures- You dont need this amount of money to "have money". As long as someone can live freely on the amount that they make and can treat their S.O to nice things here and there he's fine. Women who havent come from money dont understand its exact value. A person earning 65,000 a year can suppport a home. He wont ball, but he'll live.
2) Be in shape- What is in shape? Each person's body type is different. "Big" guys bag beautiful women, in case you havent noticed. As do body builders. Anyone who wants to stick rigidly to one body type is playing themselves. Bodies are always changing. "Sexy" comes in different forms
3) Have all his hair-Hair is great, but some men who are sexy are bald, some have waves, some dreads. A woman has got to be flexible, otherwise she will miss out.
4) Drive a (insert luxury car)- As long as he drives and is financially independent it doesnt matter what car he drives. He pays his own car insurance right? It just has to be a decent car and well maintained, not a benz necessarily.
5) Over 6 feet-Ok, some women like tall men. However, as long as he is taller than you, its not a big deal. When he's laying it down, if he makes you feel small, he should be "in".
6) Have a nice place- A nice place is clean, fully functioning, warm, and safe where he makes you feel welcome and comfortable. At the end of the day, unless you live in the suburbs, no one's place is reall;y that "nice".
Women with little REAL education and who come from lower middle class backgrounds (at best), tend to have such high financial standards on men. They dont know White secrets of money. White people drive inexpensive cars (pay their car off), own homes, wear the same clothes season after season, and are GENERALLY frugal. But they go on vacation, do whatever they want whenever they want, AND have money in the bank.
And, also, women who place the physical standards you mentioned on men, are too busy reading Cosmo and watching movies. They arent the women who are out there actually dating. If they were more experienced, they'd know that sex appeal comes in various forms. It comes in different heights, weights, and skin tones. Muscles are ok, but wont help him know how to touch you or give you the "look" that makes your knees weak.
So, Mighty D.R, I hope when you see that the woman your pursuing matches the kind you mentioned to Anon 11:56, you recognize that it has nothing to do with what you may or may not have to offer. It has everything to do with what SHE has to offer, and also speaks volumes about her background and limited life experience.
@ Samantha, and THAT's why you're my baby.
ReplyDelete@Mighty DR - Thanks for being a good sport! I enjoyed reading your comment but one thing stood out to me.
ReplyDeleteYou can't encourage women not to settle and then write something like "Hell, a woman will be with him [male who has his stuff together] just for that reason alone." Most times when people talk about settling it is implied that the person is accepting LESS than they deserve. However, there is a such thing as "settling UP." I know we've all heard of two doctors married to each other getting divorced, or maybe a lawyer and a Senior VP at a major company divorcing, or those ugly athletes you mentioned get divorced as well. Those are examples of settling up. Those women (although put together themselves) saw that the man satisfied the status/success level on their list but they forgot to check everything else.
So Mighty, if you meet a woman who wants you ONLY because you have your stuff together, I suggest you run because if you don't match anything else on her list ie., personality, attractiveness, religion/morals, etc. she is in fact settling and will eventually make your life miserable.
And, to the ladies please do not sell yourself short. For the sake of your happiness make sure he satisfies most, if not all, of your requirements. What good are his job, fancy car, and big bank account if your personalities clash and you argue everyday? I know there are slim pickings out there but settling is never ever worth it.
@Samantha- Girl if we were in church I would've been standing and kicking my shoes off at your last post! You sure did preach a message!
A couple months ago I wrote something on how women pay attention to the wrong things when on a date and it really coincides with your critique of the "list," especially what you said on background and class. That's one category people often forget to evaluate. Actually, I didn't see it on ES' or Mighty's list. They mentioned values but class is very different.
Some women pay attention to how much a guy spends on a date but I pay attention to WHERE the guy takes me and how he treats the STAFF at that establishment. If we're eating out, did he pick a chain restaurant or did he branch out to an independent possibly lesser known restaurant? How did he get the waiters attention? Was it eye contact or did he yell "yo waiter"? Or even worse, was he unsuccessful and I had to do it? These are just some of the things I evaluate and they may seem trivial but they, not money, are the true judge of class. Some of my best dates were the ones where less money was spent.
Values and class need to go hand in hand when adding them to the list. Most people have values, but few have class. Ever seen a street pharmacist refuse to sell to a pregnant woman? Yea, that's cause he got values, but I'm sure it's a unanimous vote that he has no class.
Class is what makes a woman go to the gym to burn off that muffin top. Class is what makes her bypass the fake eyelashes and go straight for the ballerina pink nail polish. If she must wear a weave, class is what makes her spend the extra money to make sure it doesn't LOOK like a weave. And most importantly, class is what makes her appreciate you for you and not only for what you've accomplished.
So Mighty DR, Samantha was right. Any woman who believes in that "list" you gave definitely lacks class and again you need to run!
To the ladies, if his level of class is below yours, YOU NEED TO LET HIM GO! I don't judge anyone for what level of class they desire. It's up to you to set the standard but I do encourage that your partner meet the same standard or higher than you set for yourself. It's ok for you to step up to his level but stepping down should never be an option. And no, you will not be strong enough to pull him to your level. He most definitely will pull you down.
[anon 11:56] LOL... sometimes I forget myself. Forgive me, I have a lot of this conversation for conversation's sake and because I personally appreciate the dialogue, but I feel like my questioning is always leading to incorrect assumptions (obviously recognizing my responsiblity for this). BUT, Just to clear the air. (Still laughing and enjoying the read) I come from a fairly stable home. I do not think I have any major personal male female issues. Both of my parents love and support me. I know from personal experience what a good mother and a good father feel like. I have witnessed fairly functional marriages in my life. My family is not incredibly well-off (in reference to Samantha's comment about females that have no understanding of how much money it could take to raise a family) but I definitely need a partner/mate that is willing to take care of me at least as well as my parents have.
ReplyDeleteAll that being said, I got a list.
Here's the order of my list that it's in: it goes, Reggie, JayZ, Tupac, & Biggie... (Couldn't resist) I am a hiphop fan, and I love corny jokes..
1. If you don't understand how I got to that line in my head, we wouldn't even be great friends but more importantly you would never be able to tolerate a relationship with me. My personality is so quirky and consistent, (no, I doubt i'll mature out of it) that being able to understand and reciprocate with quick wit is almost my entire list. Yes, to maintain my conversations one would have to have a sense of humor, a high level of intelligence and a low sensitivity. If my jokes hurt your feelings, we are not meant to be. If you get me, You are Dope! so half the battle is won.
2. Once, a person is able to tolerate, dare I say like me, they must have an incredibly high sense of morality. Just because you do something does not make it right, and I should be able to agree with any prospect on the difference between right and wrong. Attending services, doing charity and making it a point in life to be of service are all first on the table. If I question whether or not those are things you would take on in your life without me, I cannot agree to build a life with you, period. If you are about these things, it doesn't matter if I marry you or not, I'm glad you exist and I have made a friend for life.
3. Love children. Period. Any and everything about them, I have a child and she comes with the deal.
4. Aesthetics- Not shorter than me, not lighter than me. No Pork on my Fork. No unusual odors. You should already work out. (Samantha, btw, I need the partner that is a sexy trainer, bc I generally stay in a 20 lb. range, but sometimes need motivation, I have never been in a relationship where we didn't work out together.) I'm a vegetarian, so if that's not going to work out, kick it.
5. Financial status. If you can already take care of yourself, and want to grow into something with me and meet all of the above, we will work it out. By take care of, I mean employment and a plan. I really don't care if you live with your parents if you are doing it to save money, or for easier travel. I know so many people in so many different situations that those are not realistic judgements. Whoever he is, isn't paying my bills right now so I wouldn't expect him to tomorrow. As long as he's making moves and working towards the goals, I think I'm ok.
ES- I guess it's a little different for females, or maybe just for me. I do not need a guy that stands out in a room. He could actually be the last person to be noticed. Humility, modesty, decency, sensitivity, honesty and loyalty are not flashy attributes.
Anon 11:56,
ReplyDeleteI agree that sometimes the modest guy at the party can be attractive. Quiet confidence can be a huge turn-on:-)
Im sure women will be outraged at a few things on my list and the men will shake their heads and think im asking for too much. But here it goes:
-Family Oriented: Understands and happily fulfills his responsibilities to his family. Doesnt have to love kids, but know how to treat them with genuine kindness. Respect his/my elders completely, plus the young teenage girls in our family who dont know how to act right yet, plus my crackhead cousin.
-Aesthetics: Taller than me, strong, overtly masculine, clean, well-groomed and decently dressed.
-Introspective: Can reflect on his own faults and try to improve them.
-No Substance Abuse Issues/Dependencies
-Financially Independent and Ambitious: Needs Car and his own place. Doesnt have to be rich but he cant be comfortable, always has to have his eyes on the next thing.
-Sexually Empowered: Knows what he likes, isnt shy about asking, willing try new things, keeps an open mind. Takes it slowwwwwwwwww.
-Sociable and Smart: If he and I go out somewhere and we split up for a little while, I want to be confident that he'll smile and know how to engage in intelligent conversation about anything, with anyone.
-Rules Kindly: Abides by traditional male roles as a PROTECTOR/GENTLEMAN and, also, understands that yes ill cook, clean, call to check on his mom, and dress decently when his guy friends stop by (not to mention throw some wings in the oven), but he should be reasonable and cut me some slack. If my meal a certain day was especially awesome, itd be nice to hear it (if it sucked, tell me that too). Or if my family is over ridiculously late one night but he's tired, just quietly take his ass to bed. And can I be sick sometimes too? Lol. And also, money will never be an issue, but its nice to feel taken care of and spoiled and it doesnt take much. Take pride in taking care of your woman.
-Affectionate: If he feels affectionately or tenderly towards me he has to be comfortable with expressing it and recieving it as well. It not my fault he doesnt know how a woman is supposed to treat him.
*The above list is purely hypothetical. Its author in no way endorses marriage or long-term monogamy.
Oh yes, and
ReplyDelete-He's gotta read the newpaper and know a thing or two about politics. Not just pretend to know.
-He has to freely and eagerly express his thoughts and opinions. He's gotta be a communicator.
Thats 11 things.
@ Samantha, that is a great list and you by no means are asking for too much. It's very realistic except for the short homies who wouldn't meet your height requirement, althought it is a "hypothetical" list ;)
ReplyDelete[anon 11:56] Samantha, if your list is too much, then so is mine, you put things on there that I obviously take for granted. Respecting the young females in my family wasn't even something I remembered, that's par isn't it? Smh. This world is so out of control when basic decency is a formal request.
ReplyDeleteI'm just catching up on everything and ironically made a list this weekend. and My Shero and I share... oh I mean the hypothetical list matches many of my list requirements. I make it a habit to not ask for anything I can't give/offer to someone else myself.
ReplyDeleteGreat points.
Better late than never. Here's my list...
ReplyDeletePersonality – Confident not conceited, stern not uptight, decisive, ambitious, a leader, not easily intimidated, down to earth, speaks his mind, affectionate, supportive, caring, and great sense of humor. I love to laugh and I like to crack jokes on people. He can’t get offended easily.
Honesty/Loyalty – So important it needed it’s own category.
Aesthetics – Smooth skin (doesn’t have to be flawless just no bad acne or razor bumps), wears his weight well (whether he’s on the bigger or thinner end he needs to dress for his size and can’t be sloppy), showers daily, doesn’t have to be an exquisite dresser but needs to own a variety of clothing from sweats to maybe even a tux, and should be 6’ or taller. The height isn’t a restriction but it’s a strong desire based on 2 bad experiences.
Finances – Must be able to afford his lifestyle. Living paycheck to paycheck with no savings account is not an option. Sets financial goals for himself and although he values money, he understands it’s not the end all be all.
Spirituality/Morality – Deeply honors and respects God by putting God first and family second. He should be willing to attend church and give back to the community. Must be a genuinely good-hearted person with values and class but still has fun and enjoys life. It’s about balance, he can’t be boring.